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Rebecca Ong's avatar

Thanks for sharing!

I think that this type of practice is very useful. I use Canvas quizzes to do the same thing Chapman et al. did in their paper. My course doesn't have these types of virtual quizzes ready made, so I have to make them. I make as many of them as possible formula problems. Mostly the students see different problems from each other. They are a beast to set up, but I should be able to reuse them from year to year, so it's worth the effort.

Like Chapman et al., I also make them infinite attempts and no penalty, but there is a hard deadline. (Usually I give them 3 days to work through the problems.) They are worth 10% of the grade. My goal was ~1 per week but I can't make them fast enough.

I call them "Practice Problems" rather than quizzes because students have an idea for what quizzes are. I have to tell them repeatedly at the start that these are practice and so they are *strongly encouraged* to get help if they get stuck.

The big downside to this is I have no way to give specific feedback on what they are doing wrong. But I do post the solutions after the assignment closes so they can check their work against the way I solved them.

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jwr's avatar

This is interesting and genuinely thought-provoking, and yet there are a number of things about this model of deliberate practice that give me pause.

A quote from your opening:

"Deliberate practice involves breaking down skills into smaller parts, practicing them repeatedly, seeking feedback to identify weaknesses, and adapting methods to address deficiencies based on the feedback. Deliberate practice is highly demanding and not much fun. But there seems to be no shortcut around it if you truly want to learn something deeply."

And concerns I have/questions I find myself asking:

- While there are clearly situations where it can be helpful to break down complex practices into discrete skills, it seems equally clear that something is lost when we do so. To put this in the terms popularized by Daniel Pink, while training in "algorithmic" techniques may be a necessary part of developing a "heuristic" practice, such a practice can't be reduced to a corpus of such techniques. You need to integrate, you need to contextualize, you need to explore, experiment, and make meaningful decisions. It's not clear where this model of deliberate practice makes space for that, and this seems like a crucial blind spot.

- What are the conditions under which people will do things that are "highly demanding and not much fun" for a long enough period of time, with a deep enough focus, to develop high levels of skill and/or deep levels of knowledge? It seems like this would require either a very high degree of intrinsic motivation, a very high degree of extrinsic motivation, or some combination of the two. This presents several problems. First, the practical realities of the American education system make it very difficult to achieve and sustain the level of extrinsic motivation that would be necessary. Second, there's a very real risk that systems that are geared toward maintaining a very high degree of extrinsic motivation will end up degrading students' intrinsic motivation, and with it their ability to do work that involves higher-level thinking (as Pink has also argued).

- There is a seemingly puritanical strain in this account of deliberate practice: if you're having fun, you must be doing it wrong. I think this is a pretty fundamental misconception about how people get good at doing hard things. To be sure, there can be a significant amount of "this sucks" involved in playing guitar until your fingers bleed, say, but if there's not a correspondingly significant amount of "this is awesome", then why are you doing it and how long are you likely to keep it up? And all else being equal, isn't someone who *does* think it's awesome likely to get better?

- In the big picture, I'd argue that historically, the American education system has been heavily tilted toward "algorithmic" skills and extrinsic motivation. While there are things about deliberate practice that are meaningfully different and better, I'm concerned that the discourse around deliberate practice could reinforce this historic tilt, and it seems all too easy to see how it could devolve into doing things "the old way but harder."

To be clear, I'm not at all suggesting that *you* are doing this! What I would say, though, is that if we want to incorporate deliberate practice into our teaching, we need to think about how we can do that *within the context* of a larger approach that supports intrinsic motivation and "heuristic" learning.

Fun animated video reviewing Pink's arguments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

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